Does anyone who has had the misfortune of a blown head have a good 2CT block left over?
I've spent some time today investigating my Masterace engine, and it looks like the block has had it.
- (#9631) dave Bright (Bournemouth), 27 Mar 04 10:32
Dave. There is a snag so, don't get too excited. If you could not find a block anywhere, I have one which you could have free gratis. Unfortunately, the snag is that one bore is heavily scored as a result of a piston/gudgeon pin failure, therefore it would need sleeving. The remaining three pistons/rods big ends etc are sound. I was able to help someone out with the sump so that is missing but, the crankshaft appears OK. Don't worry about coming back to me re this block as, I am sure, you will be able to find a better one somewhere but, keep it in mind if you are really desperate.
- (#9631) John Davis (Leics), 27 Mar 04 12:48
Hello John,
Ok I know you said don't come back, but it seems rude not to as this is a generous offer, thank you. By the sounds of it yours and mine could have a lot in common, although I haven't got inside my engine yet. If they both have 3 good pots, could it be that I can make one good engine out of the two? or is it not worth it due to cost, time etc?
Regards
dave Bright
- (#9631) dave Bright (Bournemouth), 28 Mar 04 01:18
Dave, what's wrong with yours anyway? If it's a flatness issue, remember that the block can be refaced like the head...
- (#9631) david miller, 28 Mar 04 02:31
Hello Dave.
On the one occasion I managed to get it to start, it sounded like a pneumatic drill on concrete. I have stripped off the front of the engine to the point where all the ancillary belts are off. If I then turn the engine with a socket on the crank, I can hear something metallic rubbing. My guess is that its a broken con rod or something, which if correct will have damaged the lining as the previous owner had been using it. Apparently it started off as a sort of clicking, then suddenly got very loud.
I guess the thing to do is to extract the engine, then I can strip it down to identify the exact nature and extent of the problem.
This is on my Masterace by the way, so I’m not without a car fortunately.
- (#9631) dave Bright (Bournemouth), 28 Mar 04 03:16
Dave. It sounds as if you have the same problem as the previous owner of my spare block. Anyway, if, on inspection, you find that the bores are not scored, perhaps your block can be saved and, a selection of rotating components, from your engine and mine, might be the answer. Do come back to me if your inspection reveals that some internals are required.
- (#9631) John Davis (Leics), 28 Mar 04 06:28
I have a load of bits left over from rebuild, pistons conrods etc. Unfortunately the block I have has been out in the rain but would be ok for reboring. My engine suffered with a loose cranshaft pulley and I had to renew the cranshaft & pulley from a doner engine. Let me know if you are short of any bits.
- (#9631) Mark(Dover), 28 Mar 04 15:13
hi all i just bought a royal lounge but the crankshaft pully wont stay tight has any one got any info on what is happening and how much i will have to pay a garage to fix this problem thanks for your time
- (#9631) stuart, 28 Mar 04 17:16
I don't know what the cost would be over there - but I was advised to re-engine mine with the 3.0litre Hilux Surf motor - KTZ1 or something like that.
I have been assured it will fit in no problems and our fuel system will do the job, so we don't need to change the loom/fuel system.
I would heavily caution on this, because I have not done any measurements - so check it out thoughoughly first - but the stronger engine with more power is certainly tempting.
For me it won't cost anymore than a replacement 2CT (Only found that out after I replaced it!), but I do have connections over here (Aust.)
He said to stay away from the 2.4 ltr by the way, same sort of weakness in the head as ours!
- (#9631) DaveW, 28 Mar 04 17:47
Interesting...
The 2.4L engine is the "2L" and has an iron head. Used and abused by private armies and terrorists the world over. Mechanical diesel control- it's unstoppable. Look at what BBC's "Top Gear" team did to one, and it survived.
The 1KZ 3.0litre is a different beast altogether. Alloy head, balancer shaft etc. I see from my Euro EPC that there were indeed versions with a mechanical pump, but I was led to believe that many home market applications had an electronic pump. That definitely wouldn't be a straight swap...
dave B, will you get the head and sump off your Masterace pronto ,so we can find out more (grins)
- (#9631) david miller, 28 Mar 04 23:58
I have read on the Toyota owners web site that the 2c engine is almost bullet proof, as is the 3 Litre. The problem seems to be with the turbo. They think the additional heat created by the turbo is causing much of the cracked heads and failed gaskets. I think there is a bit more to it than that, but they might have a point.
One of the problems with changing the engine type is that of insurance. It ups the anti if we make modifications in the UK, and its not that straight forward to get insurance in the first place. Mind you I have heard that some VW owners are fitting Impreza turbocharged engines to their vans, and that is tempting, but not quite tempting enough.
So that leaves me with the good old reliable 2CT that is prone to jumping up and biting owners in the bum now and again. It has been sugested that as it also has a huge, and I mean huge Diesel leak, the problem could be related to the injectors, so I will check this next weekend and if I have no luck, I will get my mechanic to pull the engine out, then I can put it in the shed and work on it a bit easier than in the engine bay.
For those of you on the edge of your seats, I will do this as proto as I can dave (more grins). Thanks to those that have offered bits, depending on what I find, I might well be back to claim them.
- (#9631) dave Bright, 29 Mar 04 00:49
I know that in Aust the 2.4 Hilux Surf guys have similar problem to us - and could also be turbo related I guess.
I don't know all the technical side, but that's what I was told about them.
- (#9631) DaveW, 29 Mar 04 22:28
This motor is just as prone to head cracking, only it costs lots more to repair when it does go wrong, sure it is gutsy, my Hiace is rapid, but think of the extra rad capacity you'll need.
- (#9631) Master_Simon, 1 Apr 04 16:07
If we're looking at mad conversions (and cooling is an issue) what about a VW TDI? They're extremely efficient, and don't suffer from h/g issues. It's possible to put a mechanical pump on in place of the electronic one, to do away with the drive-by-wire, and it's a common conversion into older Suzuki Jeeps ( a commercially made bellhousing adaptor is available). The block as used in MK3 Golfs even has the mounting points in the right places, and you can get 140-150 HP reliably... check out www.tdiclub.com for more info.
Just an off-the-wall thought
- (#9631) david miller, 1 Apr 04 23:44